Frequently asked questions and answers
Q1. Will your Warre hive bodies and other accessories work with the Warre hive that I bought from (the now defunct) Bee Thinking?
A. Yes. All of our Warre hive parts and accessories will work with a hive that was sold by Bee Thinking, although the outside dimensions of the parts may not be exactly the same. Those hives were built by a third party, and many of the manufacturing specs changed or were inconsistent during various production runs. Please pay particular attention to the specifications that are given in our listings for top bars and frames, to make sure they will work in your hive(s). One very common problem with Bee Thinking's hive bodies is that many of them were manufactured with rebates that are only about 5/16" deep, meaning that no top bars or frames that are made to Warre specs (requiring rebates at least 1cm or 3/8" deep) will work in them. Also, many of their hive bodies were built with a shorter height than is specified. If your box is less than 8 1/4 inches tall, the wrong (or no) bee space will be created if you install our frames in the hive (height of the box doesn't really matter if only top bars are used). Lastly, we manufacture our hive bodies with the handles placed on the adjacent sides to where they used to have theirs placed. If you buy our hive body kits, you can install the handles however you'd like; otherwise, the handle placement will not match.
Q2. What is the difference between a Warré hive and a modified Warré hive?
A. Warré hives have top bars only. Modified Warré hives
have movable frames, as well as metal frame rests in the rebates in order to make the frames easier to remove, and to protect the parts from damage from propolis adhesion. With our new modified hive design implemented in November of 2016, both hives are exactly the same in every other way, and may be converted back and forth as you wish.
Q3. Isn't it difficult to add hive bodies to the bottom of the hive? Don't you have to lift up the entire hive to do that? Isn't the hive really heavy?
A. The quick answers to these questions are "Not usually", "No" and "Only sometimes", respectively. First of all, nowhere is it written that a Warré hive cannot be disassembled, box by box if necessary, when adding a box or boxes to the bottom. If that is what you need to do at any particular time, then you can do that. However, bees normally winter in two hive bodies and in the spring (after most of the stores have been consumed) these two hive bodies and the quilt will likely only weigh about 25 lbs. or less. After removing the roof and setting it aside, most people will find it quite easy to lift the two hive bodies and the quilt (all three pieces at once) off of the floor and set them aside so that boxes can be added. Ideally, each spring you'll add two boxes to the bottom of the hive, then take two off the top at the fall honey harvest. If you live in a nectar rich area, you may wish to add two boxes at the spring visit and then super (add a box to the top) during the main honey flow. If a Warré hive is properly managed, it's likely that nothing will be required that compares with the intense lifting of full, 10 frame Langstroth deeps. Handling individual Warré hive bodies is similar to handling Langstroth 8-frame medium boxes. To learn more, please refer to Warré Beekeeping.
Q4. Do you make Warré hive lifts?
A. We don't make Warré hive lifts for many reasons. First and foremost is that you don't need one (see previous question and answer). Using a lift would be more difficult than not using one. Think about it...you'll have to pay for this expensive lift and for its shipping, you'll have to transport this heavy and awkward lift to your hive(s), your stand(s) will have to be constructed so as to not interfere with the lift, your hive(s) will have to be located where the ground is perfectly level and stable, you'll have to store the lift somewhere most of the time, etc.. Our only question is "Who would want one?"
Q5. What type of Cedar do you use to construct your hives? How thick is the wood?
A. Our hives are constructed from Inland Red Cedar, which is the exact same species of tree as is Western Red Cedar. The only difference between the two is that true western red cedar is grown right along the coast of the Pacific ocean, which gives it a slightly different appearance. We use exclusively Idaho Forest Gold Inland Red Cedar, and each board has a nominal thickness of 7/8".
Q6. Why do your hives come with only two hive bodies? Won't I need more than that?
A. Actually, there is no limit to the number of hive bodies that you might need for your hive. Warré claimed to have had one once that was seven boxes high! Most of the time you will need three, four or five. It's a good idea to keep five on hand so you'll have them if you need them. We sell our hives with only two initially, because you only need two in order to get started. You can decide how many extra hive bodies you'd like to have on hand and order those along with your new hive or later on; whichever you choose. Please note that you will need more than two hive bodies during your colony's first year.
Q7. What are the external dimensions of your hives? I'd like to get my stands set up before my hives arrive.
A. All of our hives use
a floor that has external dimensions of 13 1/2" square. Stands should
be constructed so the screened bottom is not blocked off and hives
should be kept 12-18" off of the ground. We do offer Heavy Duty Steel Hive Stands.
Q8. Isn't cedar lumber toxic to insects?
A. Cedar lumber is only toxic to some insects if it is very freshly cut or if they try to eat it. Although your cedar hive will not be eaten by termites or carpenter ants for this reason, cedar is not even remotely toxic to bees. In fact, cedar is arguably the best wood to use for a hive! To learn more, please refer to Why Cedar Hives.
Q9. Is there a federal law that requires beehives to have movable frames?
A. No, although many states do have laws requiring them. To learn more, please refer to Frame Requirements.
Q10. How is honey typically harvested from a top bar hive?
A. Honey is usually harvested from top bar hives by using the "crush and strain" method. To learn more, please refer to Harvesting Honey.
Q11. I see that all of your hives come standard with screened bottoms. Do you make solid floors for Warré hives?
A. We are firm believers that screened bottoms are a very good and natural means of helping to combat varroa mites. That is why we use them on all of our hives. Our thinking is this; if you have screened bottoms and decide you want solid, you can very simply block off the opening without expense or disturbing the bees. But if you have solid bottoms and decide you want screened, you will have a more difficult and costly task on your hands. You may elect to have your hive built with a solid floor if you wish. Simply select "Solid Floor" from the drop-down menu when ordering. The solid floor that we will provide will be exactly the same as the screened floor, except that it will have cedar boards instead of a screen and there will be no opening in the rear for a sticky board.
NOTE: During very hot, humid weather, hive overheating and comb collapses may become a problem if a solid floor is used.
Q12. Should the screened bottom be blocked off in the winter to help protect the bees from the cold?
A. Probably not. Some people have expressed concern that having open screened bottoms will allow lots of cold air to enter the hive. This is simply not true. Since heat rises, cold air can only enter the hive as warmer air exits out the top. This flow of air is strictly limited by the quilt. What the screened bottom does allow, is slow, even distribution of outside air throughout the hive, which helps to prevent condensation and keeps the bees drier. It is moisture, not cold, that is the biggest threat to bees in the winter. Wet bees die in a matter of hours, or even minutes! Our bees have survived several winters (even as temperatures have reached -30F) with their screened bottoms wide open. Screened bottoms are used on lots of hives of all different types throughout the U.S., and 95% of the people using them leave them open all winter. Protecting your hives from the prevailing winter winds, however, is very important.
Q13. I am a new beekeeper. How many hives should I start with this spring?
A. We recommend that you start with at least two. The first year is the hardest when establishing new colonies. If you have two, you'll have the ability to combine the hives together if you need to, and you'll be almost guaranteed to have at least one that's doing well the following spring. One hive will probably be OK too, but if it does fail you'll be disappointed and not able to get going again until the following spring. Anyway, the more the merrier!
Q14. Is a 2 lb. package with a queen enough bees to get my new bee colony started?
A. Absolutely not.
Q15. Is a 3 lb. package with a queen enough bees to get my new bee colony started?
A. Probably, but it's not recommended. Warré recommended installing at least 2 kg (4.5 lbs.) of bees when populating a new hive, and you'll surely have greater success if you do. One popular method is to order a number of 3 lb. packages with and without queens. Each new hive gets a full package with a queen. Then, queenless packages are split, installing roughly half of the bees into each of two hives. In this way, each new hive gets about 4.5 lbs. of bees with a queen. If you want to start just one hive, there are many package suppliers that sell 2 lb. packages, so you could just by two packages (one with a queen and one without) and start off with 5 lbs. of bees with a queen. Either way, whenever you install more than one package in a hive, always introduce the queen in her cage. Do not direct release her upon installation.
Q16. I've been told that starting out with a nucleus hive (nuc) is much better than starting with packaged bees. Is this true?
A. Although it's likely to be better than starting with only a 3 lb. package of bees, we feel that starting with 4.5-5 lbs. of packaged bees is the best approach to use when starting a Warré hive.
Q17. I want to buy a particular type of bee, but can only get them in a 5-frame Langstroth nuc. How can I get them into my Warré hive?
A. We build an adapter for doing this. It's called a Lang Nuc-to-Warré transfer box.
Q18. After I have installed my package of bees into my new hive, what happens to the queen cage?
A. You will need to check the queen cage 3-4 days after you install your bees to make sure the queen has been released and to remove it from the hive. After only three days, there will be minimal comb built in the upper hive body and all of the bees will still be clustered in it. It's best to allow the food level in the feeder to go low before you do this (just don't fill the feeder all the way up on the second day and you'll be fine). I find it's best to perform this procedure in the early evening, as long as it's 50 degrees or better outside. You will of course, need to wear your veil and you may want to fire up your smoker for this. If you smoke the bees, use only a puff or two through the screened bottom just before you start. You shouldn't need anymore than that. To remove the cage from a Warré or octagonal hive do as follows: First, lay two scrap 2x4s sideways and about 12 inches apart next to the hive to work as "rails" to keep your hive parts off of the ground. Next, remove the roof and put it aside, but leave the quilt in place. Slowly and carefully lift the upper hive body, feeder and quilt off of the hive (all three pieces at once) and carefully set the assembly down on the 2x4s. You will then find the queen cage on the top bars of the lower hive body, where you placed it during the installation. It's likely to be covered with bees, but they shouldn't be very aggressive. Carefully pick up the cage. Verify that the candy plug has been eaten away and that the queen is no longer inside. As long as the queen has been released, simply shake any bees off of the cage and onto the top bars of the lower box, reassemble the hive and take the cage away with you. If the queen is still in the cage, you'll need to release her. Place the queen cage in your shirt or jacket pocket, if necessary, to keep her warm for a minute or two while you reassemble the hive. Work carefully, but quickly; you don't want to have the queen out of the hive for any longer than you have to. Once the hive is back together (with the roof still off), carefully slide the feeder and quilt over far enough to give you 1-2 inches of access to the upper hive body. Now, holding the queen cage right next to the top bars of the slightly open hive body (it is best to do this without gloves, so that you can work without being impaired by them), carefully pull the screen loose from the cage and watch the queen climb out and walk right into the hive and down through the top bars. Lastly, very carefully slide the feeder and quilt back into position without crushing any bees. Removing the cage from a modified hive requires removing the quilt and feeder, removing a few frames, and then removing the cage. Release the queen in the same manner described above, if necessary.
Q19. If I choose to use a modified Warré (framed) hive, should I use foundation in the frames, or go foundationless?
A. Foundationless is the natural way, but there are some very good reasons for using foundation. First, if you are installing bees that have been living on standard (5.4mm) foundation (as will be the case with almost all packages not purchased from Wolfcreek Apiaries), you'll want to start off new your colony by using 5.1mm foundation in the upper hive body and 4.9mm foundation in the lower hive body. Do this to get your bees regressed back to natural size as quickly as possible, in order to help combat varroa mites. To learn more, refer to Cell Size and Regression. Another good reason for using foundation is that it virtually guarantees that the combs will be built the way that we need them to be built in a framed hive. If cross-combing (when combs are attached to multiple top bars) occurs in a Warré (top bar) hive, it is of little consequence. But when a modified Warré hive gets cross-combed, it causes major aggravation for the beekeeper. Using foundation prevents this. Even when you're using foundation, leave the third frame (doesn't matter which side) in each box foundationless. Watch this video to see how to set up your frames. You can also wire the blank frames to give them extra strength. The blanks will serve two purposes; the one in the upper box gives you somewhere to place the queen cage upon installation of a bee package (on top of, and parallel with the bottom bar of the frame), and they all will serve as places to raise drones.
Q20. Does it matter which way I choose to orient the hive bodies, as far as whether the top bars/frames are parallel or perpendicular to the hive entrance?
Since your hive has a screened bottom, air-flow between the frames will
not be affected in any way by how you choose to orient the top
bars/frames in relation to the entrance. If you choose to block off the
mesh floor opening for extended periods (not recommended), placing the
hive bodies so that the top bars/frames are parallel with the entrance
will keep the bees slightly warmer by causing most of the air entering
the hive to travel between the front wall of the hive and the first comb
in each hive body before exiting the hive through the quilt. This is
called "warm way" orientation. Also, it's important to note that certain accessories, such as pollen traps and robbing screens, cannot be mounted to your hive if there is a handle directly above the entrance. So, basically, it's best to set up your hive with the handles at the sides; not the front and rear.
Q21. Are there any times when I may need to reduce the size of the hive entrance?
A. Any time that you've just installed a package of bees into a hive, the entrance should
be reduced to only about two bees wide. This is easily done by placing a
small piece of scrap wood on the landing board in front of the opening. During times of nectar dearth (in most areas of the country this is in the fall) it's best to install a robbing screen. It's an inexpensive insurance policy against robbing and is highly recommended. When bees know that winter is coming and there's no nectar to be found anywhere, they can become quite aggressive and are likely to rob other, weaker colonies of their stores.
Q22. I tried to remove the quilt box from my hive today, but it seems to be stuck down to the top hive body. Isn't the screen supposed to prevent that? What do I do now?
A. The screen is used to minimize the propolizing of the quilt to the top hive body. After the hive is first set up, the bees may fill the gaps of the screen with propolis and some of this propolis may actually stick the quilt down quite firmly. Simply hold down one handle of the top hive body with one hand and pull the quilt loose with the other. It may take a bit of force, but the quilt canvas is strong enough to handle it. When you reassemble the hive, be sure to put the screen back as it was, so that the propolis filled sections correspond with the spaces between the top bars. If you do that, the next time you need to remove the quilt, it will be much easier.
Q23. Where do I put the screen when I'm using a hivetop feeder?
A. You do not need to use the screen while the hivetop feeder is in place. Put it somewhere that you'll be able to find it when you need it, which will be when you remove the feeder.
Q24. In your videos you recommend feeding a new colony a 2:1 ratio of sugar/water syrup, but I have read elsewhere to feed a 1:1 mixture. Are you sure I should feed 2:1?
A. Some people do feed 1:1 in the spring and 2:1 in the fall, if fall feeding is needed. We find it simpler and just as effective to feed 2:1 any time feeding is necessary. Any and all feeding recommendations that we make are based on feeding a 2:1 mixture.
Q25. Once I have installed my new bee colony, how often do I need to check and/or fill the feeder?
A. A new colony that is enthusiastically taking feed can empty the feeder every day. Most of the time, they will empty it every other day. It is important to monitor the feeder and keep it supplied with syrup for as long as the feeder is on. Remember to pour the feed in slowly and give the bees time to climb up out of the way, so that you don't drown any of them. The best time to fill the feeder is in the early morning, working from behind the hive.
Q26. How long should I leave the feeder on the hive after I have installed my package of bees?
A. As long as your bees are consuming the feed, you can leave the feeder on for a maximum of three weeks. Feeding your bees any longer than this is not only unnecessary, it can actually be harmful, because you will be allowing them to load the hive with excessive moisture; not to mention that you may end up harvesting sugar syrup rather than honey. If your bees seem to be ignoring the feeder after it has been on for several days, you can go ahead and remove it, because they are already finding ample nectar outside.
Q27. How long after I install my bees will I need to add another hive body?
A. Most people who start with at least 4.5 lbs. of bees and use our hivetop feeders will be amazed at how fast things progress.
It's a very common misconception that one should wait until the bottom
hive body is mostly filled with comb before enlarging the hive. The bees
will often decide to swarm well before the bottom hive body is
built out, and once they do that, you'll be unable to convince them
otherwise, regardless of what you do. New hives should have a third hive
body (and possibly even a forth if you live in a nectar rich area) added
after 2-3 weeks, which will usually coincide with the removal of the
feeder. Adding boxes at this time is easy because the hive is still
fairly light and easy to lift. Because your hive is likely to be light, yet top-heavy at this time, be sure to secure it together and to its stand with either hive staples or a ratcheting hive strap.
Q28. How will I know that I need to enlarge an established hive?
A. Established hives should be enlarged in the spring as soon as the first sources of nectar (usually dandelions) appear. After that (unless the main nectar flow is nearing its end), one or more hive bodies should be added if large amounts of bees are seen (when looking up through the screened floor in the evening hours) clustering in the bottom box. If your hive already consists of four boxes but the bees need more room, you might want to super your hive.
Q29. Won't the wind blow my hives over? Should I do something to prevent this?
A. Many people will be pleasantly surprised at how stable these hives are. Some folks get the impression that they'd blow over easily...they don't. As long as the boxes have been in place long enough to be propolized together (a few weeks) the only time that any of our hives is prone to blow over is when it is empty. Not empty of bees or comb, but of stores. Once there are even 20 lbs. of stores in the hive, blowing over is of very little concern. The only real risk at that point is that high winds can cause the hive to slide and then fall off the edge of its stand. The floor of the hive should always be secured to the stand. If the hive is tall and light, hive staples should be used to secure the components together. If you're expecting a severe storm, or just want to have complete peace of mind during the winter and spring, use a hive strap to secure the quilt and hive bodies, then install the roof over the strap. Never put a strap over the roof of the hive.
Q30. Are there any precautions that I should take to prevent the hive from overheating in hot weather/climates?
A. First, make sure that your hive is not overcrowded and add boxes if necessary. If the bees have plenty of room, there are still some things that you can and should do to minimize high temperatures inside the hive, since a hive that is too hot could suffer comb collapse and/or the bees could abscond. When the first hot days of summer arrive you should push the sawdust in the quilt to the sides, so that a 3-4 inch circle of canvas is exposed. Remove some of the sawdust if necessary. Also, do not leave sticky boards in place or otherwise obstruct the screened bottom during times of hot weather. If you suspect that the hive is still getting too hot, remove all of the sawdust from the quilt. Also, always be sure that the bees have access to plenty of water nearby, as they use it to cool the hive.
Q31. It's the middle of winter and I walked out to my hive(s) today to check things out. I saw lots of dead bees on the landing board and some on the ground also. The weather has been too cold for the bees to come outside for the last several weeks. Should I be worried?
A. Your bees are probably just fine. It is normal for bees to die during the winter months, building up on the hive floor and sometimes crawling out just before dying. Other bees will also carry out the dead if it is warm enough. How many dead bees build up depends on many factors, but since your Warré hive has a short entrance slot (only about 1 cm tall), it is important that you do what you can to make sure that the entrance doesn't become blocked. Use a stick, pencil, etc. to pull out the dead bees that are within a few inches of the entrance. This will not only help with ventilation, but will ensure that your bees are able to get out of the hive for cleansing flights (to relieve themselves) when the first nice day arrives.